Deathcock: So anyone care to rationally and logically explain in the form of critical thinking the purpose of Harley and Selina having dicks? Both are attractively drawn, yet this doesn't seem to be aimed at heterosexuals. Would it be a problem for Harley and Catwoman to have vaginas as they're expected to, and that the three of them could be engaging in heterosexual sex acts, or is that no good for all drawn pornography these days? Idk maybe it's just me being the only heterosexual left on the Internet, but I would have preferred seeing these pictures drawn with the only dick being Batman's, BUT MAYBE IM JUST OLD FASHIONED?
Franky_Whiskey: @Deathcock: You already answered your question in an irrational and illogical fashion, and already made clear that no answer that defies your rather narrow concepts will satisfy you.
Perhaps your only desire is to argue, not being answered.
Deathcock: Nope. As much I love conflict, and aggravating closet homosexuals/bisexuals with retarded tastes, I do actually want what I asked for, and would like you to elaborate on your weak reply. Most interested to know how I was irrational and illogical, because I tend to think I articulated myself wrong, or more likely you just misunderstood, as most banal nerds do.
I've practiced critical thinking, and think this would be a good exercise. Also, I am getting really fascinated about what makes people enjoy this crap, as I'm usually interested to know what makes people tick.
In case I need to explain myself further, this has completely nonsensical sexuality at play. The art doesn't seem to satisfy either heterosexuals or homosexuals, and the more I look at futa, the more I am convinced there's closet homosexuality at work in the erotica, or some kind of totally ass backwards psychology going on. Really am curious, Franky Whiskey.
Franky_Whiskey: @Deathcock: Your main problem is that you mix sexuality with gender, and that you think there's no shades of gray when it comes to human sexual desires.
I honestly don't like this picture, as one just doesn't jizzes on THE GODDAMN BATMAN. But I know there's folks who like it, and while I don't understand many things, I am aware there are many people with the answers I seek and viceversa.
And to open your mind to such different views without forcing your understanding is the wisest thing you can do. It's up to you if you decide if you are willing to do so or no, tho.
Deathcock: Well... Okay.... But then I would already have that down, wouldn't I? I already get that, and always have; and i also can see beyond what I like, or don't like. I still don't understand the psychology though. Is it that people have become so desensitized to their lifestyle of looking at exaggerated pornography that its shaped their own sexuality? That's another theory I've had, which all falls under the category of RETARDED SHIT, but that's what I'm currently working with lol. So, idk, it seems like I actually have more of an understanding of it than you do, which is funny since you're admonishing me for being close-minded.
Franky_Whiskey: @Deathcock: One of the things in the Tao deals on how people become miserable. When you let things be they way they should be, there's harmony, no struggle, the square peg fits in the square hole and the circle pegs fits in the circle hole. It is when we try to make the everything fit to us when shit goes down the gutter, and we desperatly try to jam the square peg into the circle hole because fuck it, that's the way I want it to be.
tl;dr the only thing the internet offers us is many, many choices. Is up to you to shape your gender, as sexuality is limited to the biological, physical aspects of your body.
Deathcock: Lol okay dude, we're still talking about porn fetishes, right?
I have a friend who is the most sexually ambiguous guy I've ever known. He's very open-minded. He thinks futa is senseless, like I do. He thinks futa fans 'should come out of the closet already' lol.
So... Yeah.... This is all makes sense at surface level, but at the end of the day, futa is pretty fucking retarded. None of this really explains it, or justifies it. If this is simply a matter of aesthetics, then there is no right or wrong answer; so I'mma keep knockin' it, because I think it's really bad taste, and it is ruining my pronz.
Anonymous6: @Deathcock: The problem with the "come out of the closet already!" attitude is that it's not applicable to futanari, at all.
Gay men do not like the female form sexually. That fact, along with an attraction to the male form, is what being a gay man entails.
Being in the closet implies that someone knows they're gay, but are hiding it from someone for some reason. The reason this isn't applicable is for two reasons.
One, the internet provides anonymity. Unless you're 12 or running for a public office no one knows or cares about your viewing habits. There's no need to pretend to like a fetish that most people would find odd to hide your, ever more accepted, sexuality.
Two, people cannot fake an attraction to something they're not attracted to. People might awaken to or discover attractions to new things, IE, discovering that you're bisexual instead of a lesbian, but this generally does not work in reverse. A straight man would not find a man anymore attractive than a gay man would find a woman attractive and futanari by and large are female forms with the added phallus.
Liking a certain form of genitalia does not entail your sexuality. Liking phallic imagery does not make a man gay anymore than liking vaginal imagery makes him straight and arguing otherwise opens the door to absurdities as straight men being sexually aroused by men with pussies.
There's nothing retarded about the combination of imagery and forms. Think back to that stupid Ron White joke where he convinces his friend to admit to liking big hard cocks. His friend likes the imagery of that phallus. It's the same reason most male porn actors have certain size-requirements. A penis conveys a lot more information about its owner and is subject to much more visually appealing things. A vagina does not wobble, does not grow, does not press against clothes to form overly obvious bulges, does not always ejaculate at the point of orgasm, etc. like a penis does. It's simply easier for a straight man used to that imagery to connect with it and by proxy its owner, and since straight men are into women giving her the phallic imagery also gives her all of those qualities. You know when she's excited, you know when she's close, you know when she's cumming.
Then there's the people, straight, bisexual, gay, whatever that like the idea of a woman who can penetrate her lovers as well as take them into herself. You see this argument a lot on the internet, the whole "why add a man when you can have two women, one with a dick?" argument. Personally I find eschewing men in totality for futanari forms to be in bad taste as I prefer variety, but the idea of a woman with phallic agency is still appealing in that she can take her lovers, top or bottom, in both traditional ways. Hell, the "futa-girl instead of guy-girl," argument show how much futanari fans are NOT turned on by male forms sexually.
There is no denying that women--though there are seemingly fewer women than men into this--into futanari are at least somewhat bisexual or of some other sexuality that doesn't have an proclivities against finding their own sex and/or gender attractive. This is simply because, as I've said, futanari are female forms with phallic genitalia. Secondary sexual characteristics determine attraction most of the time. It is noteworthy though that women don't seem to have as much of a stigma in finding their own gender attractive. Hell, there are plenty of self-professed straight women who admit to finding other women more visually pleasing than men. And then you have lesbians who might absolutely hate men, but still like cock and the natural penetration that comes with it. I'm actually surprised more lesbians aren't into futanari.
Everyone has their own reasons for finding something attractive and interesting. Simply labeling it retarded in an objective way because you don't personally like it or understand it doesn't seem intellectually honest, and quite frankly I find that in really bad taste. The attitude is also ruining my pronz.
I never thought labeling this fetish as sexual dysfunction, or immaturity, or general ignorance, to be more than my own gut reaction to it, but the more I have seen the art, the more I have been convinced that was actually the truthful answer after all; and with the commentary you have just provided, I'm more convinced than ever that is the case, because you have confirmed a few theories I had for why people like futa.
I once casually remarked, 'obviously having committed to never pursuing sex with women, and given to be more comfortable with jerking off to stupid cartoon porn at home, and a lifetime of doing that, you've fell in love with your own dicks.' lol and now you have suggested that I was actually onto a truth there with that joke.
Self-identification: i am a straight man who does not mind seeing men in my straight-oriented porn. I am totally comfortable in my sexuality, and understand that I highly prefer women over men even though I can pick up on the male aesthetic to some degree (which is the reason why I look and dress better than you lol). Also, i can stand the sight of gay porn, which makes less confidant straight men shrivel. All it does it make me laugh. Basically, i have stronger aesthetics. I couldn't ever have sex with a man, but i can appreciate what makes a man attractive. I even hear some faggots whining when there's an ugly dude in their porn, and that never bothers me either.
You know what comes across as REALLY gay to me, or at least insecure? Not being able to stand the sight of "the male form" and opting for the sight of ejaculating phalluses over lubricating vaginas. Calling yourself a heterosexual, not being able to look at a naked man for it offending your straight sensibilities (bullshit), and loving the imagery of dicks so much that you would rather replace female genitalia with them...? Yeah, that comes across pretty gay; and besides that, this whole thing of not wanting to see female genitalia, and blurring it them out, or adding censor bars (when it's not Japanese-made hentai @_@), really, really comes across as child-like inferior. Like these cunts that can't or won't eat pussy. What, does female sexuality bother you? Not comfortable with it? You've just explained to me how you and others consider the penis to be more visually satisfying because you can understand it better. Yeah. And when I do see vaginas and female ejaculation, I see it being semen in it's place, even when there's no male present in the picture. This is obvious sexual retardation, and almost fear of female sexuality, which is pretty clear none of you really understand. You're also not social, can't stand other men, and are by and large racists, which also gives more weight to my view of you all being sheltered manboys. This could all lead to homosexuality, but I think my initial theory of it being a retardation resulting from seeing futa in Japanese porn, and living the lifestyles you lead, this has resulted in being the norm.
A penis conveys a lot more information about its owner and is subject to much more visually appealing things. A vagina does not wobble, does not grow, does not press against clothes to form overly obvious bulges, does not always ejaculate at the point of orgasm, etc. like a penis does. It's simply easier for a straight man used to that imagery to connect with it and by proxy its owner, and since straight men are into women giving her the phallic imagery also gives her all of those qualities. You know when she's excited, you know when she's close, you know when she's cumming
-_- smh. Come on now - how can that not prove what I'm saying is right?
Then there's the people, straight, bisexual, gay, whatever that like the idea of a woman who can penetrate her lovers as well as take them into herself.
I would say that is the only redeeming quality in it, and the only one that would make sense; but I think the reason that most lesbians wouldn't appreciate it is because it takes away from the female body, as if it needs to be improved on with male genitalia. I once thought of futa like lesbian sex involving strap-ons, only the strap-ons are actually real. I also like it when they look more like hermaphrodites than shemales, because I do get how hermaphroditic sex can be stimulating to a heterosexual observer, so I feel like those are the places that futa should fill. So, if it is a aesthetic thing, then why don't they just have dicks? Why the balls? What do balls have to do with arousal or climax? It's all imaginary, so who cares if there's an explanation for baby batter?
But there shouldn't be this much futa permeating almost every genre and subject. It should only be done is some instances, and done right, and this over saturation where every artist is just slapping dicks and balls on every character and in every picture without regard to its value, almost as if it's a really hot fad that always works. That is a major problem for an already extremely flawed fetish.
You see this argument a lot on the internet, the whole "why add a man when you can have two women, one with a dick?" argument. Personally I find eschewing men in totality for futanari forms to be in bad taste as I prefer variety, but the idea of a woman with phallic agency is still appealing in that she can take her lovers, top or bottom, in both traditional ways. Hell, the "futa-girl instead of guy-girl," argument show how much futanari fans are NOT turned on by male forms sexually.
Then why do you so often see a standalone pinup female pic with balls and dick? That is as retarded as futa gets.
And like I said before, I see the exclusion of males to be more of an aesthetic weakness, and possibly could imply other issues in the viewer. I don't see it as a case of them being SO HETERO they can only look at females AT ALL lol.
Okay, so I do appreciate you making this post. It was a valiant effort to be genuine, express yourself, and explain. That is what I wanted, and I don't imagine very many users would be anything more than intellectually lazy /b/tards to challenge themselves like that write a post like that. But my conclusions are only more well founded, so I thanks for shedding more light on that. Remember that getting me to share your opinions was never a goal for me or you, so this isn't a wasted effort.
Futa is exactly the kind of assbackwards stupid shit I thought it was, and for the very reasons I imagined it was :P
Anonymous8(6): @Deathcock: OK, Self Identification time here: I'm a bisexual man married to a bisexual woman who has had relationships with both men and women. I hate Japanese censorship, despise Otaku culture and have no problem with any aesthetic being in any kind of hentai. I often lament myself the lack of men in it. Your third and fourth paragraphs are useless dribble because of this. Don't project arguments I never made or qualities I don't have because you assume I have them.
You've shoehorned all futanari fans into one stereotypical personality that you've rehearsed your rebuttal to over and over because you simply can't fathom or understand the many varying reasons people might like it and instead of understanding my points you plaster up qualities I never exhibited to knock them down in place of an actual argument. You spent all that time constructing the biggest strawman to somehow feel proud torching it instead of wondering if maybe the person you were responding to would sooner stand by in second-hand embarrassment than engage all that irrelevant garbage. You could have saved us all time and simply left this meandering space waste out.
It's actually somewhat laughable that you attribute this fetish to a fear of female sexuality when the base form of it is a female figure that can perform the classical female role as well as potentially supplant the male's. You've got it backwards.
As is the notion that I fear female sexuality because I recognize the penis exhibits more, or at least easier to spot, visual cues to arousal. This is not debatable. It's common biological sense. You should stop trying to be such an edgy rabblerouser, drop the cheap ad-hominems and actually pay attention to the argument you're replying to.
You also seem completely incapable of recognizing the points I made from a third person perspective relating to popular opinions from futanari fans and my own subjective views which I quite clearly label as such.
I recognize and appreciate that you took time to try and be as civil as any argument around here gets, but I can't help but feel you missed so many points while projecting ones I never made onto me that we're simply at an impasse.
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I've practiced critical thinking, and think this would be a good exercise. Also, I am getting really fascinated about what makes people enjoy this crap, as I'm usually interested to know what makes people tick.
In case I need to explain myself further, this has completely nonsensical sexuality at play. The art doesn't seem to satisfy either heterosexuals or homosexuals, and the more I look at futa, the more I am convinced there's closet homosexuality at work in the erotica, or some kind of totally ass backwards psychology going on. Really am curious, Franky Whiskey.
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I honestly don't like this picture, as one just doesn't jizzes on THE GODDAMN BATMAN. But I know there's folks who like it, and while I don't understand many things, I am aware there are many people with the answers I seek and viceversa.
And to open your mind to such different views without forcing your understanding is the wisest thing you can do. It's up to you if you decide if you are willing to do so or no, tho.
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tl;dr the only thing the internet offers us is many, many choices. Is up to you to shape your gender, as sexuality is limited to the biological, physical aspects of your body.
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I have a friend who is the most sexually ambiguous guy I've ever known. He's very open-minded. He thinks futa is senseless, like I do. He thinks futa fans 'should come out of the closet already' lol.
So... Yeah.... This is all makes sense at surface level, but at the end of the day, futa is pretty fucking retarded. None of this really explains it, or justifies it. If this is simply a matter of aesthetics, then there is no right or wrong answer; so I'mma keep knockin' it, because I think it's really bad taste, and it is ruining my pronz.
Gay men do not like the female form sexually. That fact, along with an attraction to the male form, is what being a gay man entails.
Being in the closet implies that someone knows they're gay, but are hiding it from someone for some reason. The reason this isn't applicable is for two reasons.
One, the internet provides anonymity. Unless you're 12 or running for a public office no one knows or cares about your viewing habits. There's no need to pretend to like a fetish that most people would find odd to hide your, ever more accepted, sexuality.
Two, people cannot fake an attraction to something they're not attracted to. People might awaken to or discover attractions to new things, IE, discovering that you're bisexual instead of a lesbian, but this generally does not work in reverse. A straight man would not find a man anymore attractive than a gay man would find a woman attractive and futanari by and large are female forms with the added phallus.
Liking a certain form of genitalia does not entail your sexuality. Liking phallic imagery does not make a man gay anymore than liking vaginal imagery makes him straight and arguing otherwise opens the door to absurdities as straight men being sexually aroused by men with pussies.
There's nothing retarded about the combination of imagery and forms. Think back to that stupid Ron White joke where he convinces his friend to admit to liking big hard cocks. His friend likes the imagery of that phallus. It's the same reason most male porn actors have certain size-requirements. A penis conveys a lot more information about its owner and is subject to much more visually appealing things. A vagina does not wobble, does not grow, does not press against clothes to form overly obvious bulges, does not always ejaculate at the point of orgasm, etc. like a penis does. It's simply easier for a straight man used to that imagery to connect with it and by proxy its owner, and since straight men are into women giving her the phallic imagery also gives her all of those qualities. You know when she's excited, you know when she's close, you know when she's cumming.
Then there's the people, straight, bisexual, gay, whatever that like the idea of a woman who can penetrate her lovers as well as take them into herself. You see this argument a lot on the internet, the whole "why add a man when you can have two women, one with a dick?" argument. Personally I find eschewing men in totality for futanari forms to be in bad taste as I prefer variety, but the idea of a woman with phallic agency is still appealing in that she can take her lovers, top or bottom, in both traditional ways. Hell, the "futa-girl instead of guy-girl," argument show how much futanari fans are NOT turned on by male forms sexually.
There is no denying that women--though there are seemingly fewer women than men into this--into futanari are at least somewhat bisexual or of some other sexuality that doesn't have an proclivities against finding their own sex and/or gender attractive. This is simply because, as I've said, futanari are female forms with phallic genitalia. Secondary sexual characteristics determine attraction most of the time. It is noteworthy though that women don't seem to have as much of a stigma in finding their own gender attractive. Hell, there are plenty of self-professed straight women who admit to finding other women more visually pleasing than men. And then you have lesbians who might absolutely hate men, but still like cock and the natural penetration that comes with it. I'm actually surprised more lesbians aren't into futanari.
Everyone has their own reasons for finding something attractive and interesting. Simply labeling it retarded in an objective way because you don't personally like it or understand it doesn't seem intellectually honest, and quite frankly I find that in really bad taste. The attitude is also ruining my pronz.
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I never thought labeling this fetish as sexual dysfunction, or immaturity, or general ignorance, to be more than my own gut reaction to it, but the more I have seen the art, the more I have been convinced that was actually the truthful answer after all; and with the commentary you have just provided, I'm more convinced than ever that is the case, because you have confirmed a few theories I had for why people like futa.
I once casually remarked, 'obviously having committed to never pursuing sex with women, and given to be more comfortable with jerking off to stupid cartoon porn at home, and a lifetime of doing that, you've fell in love with your own dicks.' lol and now you have suggested that I was actually onto a truth there with that joke.
Self-identification: i am a straight man who does not mind seeing men in my straight-oriented porn. I am totally comfortable in my sexuality, and understand that I highly prefer women over men even though I can pick up on the male aesthetic to some degree (which is the reason why I look and dress better than you lol). Also, i can stand the sight of gay porn, which makes less confidant straight men shrivel. All it does it make me laugh. Basically, i have stronger aesthetics. I couldn't ever have sex with a man, but i can appreciate what makes a man attractive. I even hear some faggots whining when there's an ugly dude in their porn, and that never bothers me either.
You know what comes across as REALLY gay to me, or at least insecure? Not being able to stand the sight of "the male form" and opting for the sight of ejaculating phalluses over lubricating vaginas. Calling yourself a heterosexual, not being able to look at a naked man for it offending your straight sensibilities (bullshit), and loving the imagery of dicks so much that you would rather replace female genitalia with them...? Yeah, that comes across pretty gay; and besides that, this whole thing of not wanting to see female genitalia, and blurring it them out, or adding censor bars (when it's not Japanese-made hentai @_@), really, really comes across as child-like inferior. Like these cunts that can't or won't eat pussy. What, does female sexuality bother you? Not comfortable with it? You've just explained to me how you and others consider the penis to be more visually satisfying because you can understand it better. Yeah. And when I do see vaginas and female ejaculation, I see it being semen in it's place, even when there's no male present in the picture. This is obvious sexual retardation, and almost fear of female sexuality, which is pretty clear none of you really understand. You're also not social, can't stand other men, and are by and large racists, which also gives more weight to my view of you all being sheltered manboys. This could all lead to homosexuality, but I think my initial theory of it being a retardation resulting from seeing futa in Japanese porn, and living the lifestyles you lead, this has resulted in being the norm.
-_- smh. Come on now - how can that not prove what I'm saying is right?
I would say that is the only redeeming quality in it, and the only one that would make sense; but I think the reason that most lesbians wouldn't appreciate it is because it takes away from the female body, as if it needs to be improved on with male genitalia. I once thought of futa like lesbian sex involving strap-ons, only the strap-ons are actually real. I also like it when they look more like hermaphrodites than shemales, because I do get how hermaphroditic sex can be stimulating to a heterosexual observer, so I feel like those are the places that futa should fill. So, if it is a aesthetic thing, then why don't they just have dicks? Why the balls? What do balls have to do with arousal or climax? It's all imaginary, so who cares if there's an explanation for baby batter?
But there shouldn't be this much futa permeating almost every genre and subject. It should only be done is some instances, and done right, and this over saturation where every artist is just slapping dicks and balls on every character and in every picture without regard to its value, almost as if it's a really hot fad that always works. That is a major problem for an already extremely flawed fetish.
Then why do you so often see a standalone pinup female pic with balls and dick? That is as retarded as futa gets.
And like I said before, I see the exclusion of males to be more of an aesthetic weakness, and possibly could imply other issues in the viewer. I don't see it as a case of them being SO HETERO they can only look at females AT ALL lol.
Okay, so I do appreciate you making this post. It was a valiant effort to be genuine, express yourself, and explain. That is what I wanted, and I don't imagine very many users would be anything more than intellectually lazy /b/tards to challenge themselves like that write a post like that. But my conclusions are only more well founded, so I thanks for shedding more light on that. Remember that getting me to share your opinions was never a goal for me or you, so this isn't a wasted effort.
Futa is exactly the kind of assbackwards stupid shit I thought it was, and for the very reasons I imagined it was :P
You've shoehorned all futanari fans into one stereotypical personality that you've rehearsed your rebuttal to over and over because you simply can't fathom or understand the many varying reasons people might like it and instead of understanding my points you plaster up qualities I never exhibited to knock them down in place of an actual argument. You spent all that time constructing the biggest strawman to somehow feel proud torching it instead of wondering if maybe the person you were responding to would sooner stand by in second-hand embarrassment than engage all that irrelevant garbage. You could have saved us all time and simply left this meandering space waste out.
It's actually somewhat laughable that you attribute this fetish to a fear of female sexuality when the base form of it is a female figure that can perform the classical female role as well as potentially supplant the male's. You've got it backwards.
As is the notion that I fear female sexuality because I recognize the penis exhibits more, or at least easier to spot, visual cues to arousal. This is not debatable. It's common biological sense. You should stop trying to be such an edgy rabblerouser, drop the cheap ad-hominems and actually pay attention to the argument you're replying to.
You also seem completely incapable of recognizing the points I made from a third person perspective relating to popular opinions from futanari fans and my own subjective views which I quite clearly label as such.
I recognize and appreciate that you took time to try and be as civil as any argument around here gets, but I can't help but feel you missed so many points while projecting ones I never made onto me that we're simply at an impasse.